and defense is going to take some kind of a hit. that's going to be pretty ugly medicine for republicans. you know, fred, if you were sitting down with harry reid and nancy pelosi and steny hoyer or, glen, if you were sitting down with mitch mcconnell or glon boehner or eric cantor and they're about to go in the room and get a lot of blood on their hands and be ankle deep in blood -- not to be too vivid -- what would you tell them to be mindful of? >> that's a very good question. and i think it's going to be hard to answer it for a lot of reasons. one of which the function of time. the other thing would be presumptuous of me. i mean, i will give you an answer but -- >> i have been presumptuous my entire career. >> enand i are smart guys -- glen and i are smart guys. well read. good taste in movies apparently. [laughter] and we know policy. but, look, we're also political people. we're paid to give political advice. my poose of advice would be don't have people like me in the room and, look, we are paid or not paid through sort of po